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Lancashire CCC v Durham CCC Day Two

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2:42pm

chrissafc

looks like adams is out for the season, big blow to notts that

tomb

Have we got a name for the upcoming permanent stand. Did they settle on the Dale Benkenstand?

chrissafc

more than enough

chrissafc

think we have plenty bowling options

tomb

We havent needed the fill in bowlers lately, we've been bowling teams out in two sessions.

marchy22

I know rocky bowled a few overs when playing for Blaydon before but would never bowl in county cricket

Mark

I've heard Jennings is a good bowler, think he was bowling yesteday because Thorp got injured.

Mark

Play not called off yet (according to Lancs twitter update) but umpires might decide to call it off soon

tomb

Hughes and Stoneman would be a good contrast at the top of the order. If we signed though undoubtedly the Aussies would pick him for the Ashes. Ben Harmy didnt seem like the sharpest tool in the box, certainly had potential, thought he was okay as a 4th seamer in the Championship. Jenings can bowl at that level but dont think we had plans to bowl him much in the firsts? His scores in the first team dont reflect the way he has played at times.

marchy22

I think Jennings may harbour international ambitions. Seems he is gonna be a very special player

chrissafc

jennings is a very useful bowler, done it all season for stockton and 2nd xi

marchy22

I think Jennings is a natural opener done it for the seconds and stockton all season

mickeyboy

I live down South and have some Kent mates. They are not keen on Ben already saying too sulky

tomb

Jennings is a no 3, dont think of him as all rounder. Colly and Benks are specialist batsman and Stokes is an all rounder but could hold his own just as a batsman.

chrissafc

agree marchy, ideal signing and a very good player. he showed that up here last week

chrissafc

it was the day we beat lancs away and benks got the record runs. he didnt care when i mentioned it to him

marchy22

Hughes would be the ideal signing as he is sheer class in all forms of the game

chrissafc

remember him walking around marton cricket club last season for the 2nd xi (he was sub), looking gloomy, miserable and generally not a care in the world.

Mark

He did mickey

mickeyboy

Didn't Mike Hussey say that he had unfinished business at Durham?

chrissafc

ben harmison - wrong attitude.

mickeyboy

I remember saying that about Ben Harmison. Yes, the kids are the future and Colly is the man to bring them through

chrissafc

plenty talent at the club, they just need to be given a chance

Mark

We definitely need a proven, top class opener. Trouble is they are hard to come by-best England players never available and same goes for top overseas players. Ed Cowan would be a decent choice but think he wants to go back to Gloucestershire. Graeme Smith, Amla or Mike Hussey would be ideal!

chrissafc

harrison is another player who we need to look after and give game time to whenever possible.

chrissafc

these lads need developing and game time will benefit them. jennings will be something special, I'm certain of that.

chrissafc

muchall isnt good enough for the lvcc, we need to move on. would love to see hughes sign. other than that i think we need to concentrate our efforts on current younger/2nd xi players such as richardson, wood, jennings, raine, singh, coughlin, etc.

mickeyboy

4 all rounders in Stokes, Jennings, Wood and Colly (+ Benks) I just feel we are light up top and need specialist batsmen who will be more consistent

tomb

Muchall could be kept for the 40 overs and as a stand in batsman for the LVCC. Smith as a stand in opener. Plunkett has anoyher year left but would rather see Mark Wood get a run in the team. Harrison has done well but he is already picking up injuries. My team would be as we are now with a new opener and with Mark Wood as an all rounder with Stokes at 3.

chrissafc

hard to disagree with that. muchall should be nowhere near the county side next season

mickeyboy

Colly is the man to rebuild. We need to lose Smith, Harmison, Plunkett and other fringe players including, i'm sorry to say Muchall and get in an overseas, Aussie batsman.

tomb

I dont usually say this, but I have really wanted Lancs to go down this year, after the farce that was last season and the end of this season with the ground swaps. I think they're a poor but usually spirited side but wouldnt have won the league last year if not for playing at Liverpool. Not too happy with the reaction of their fans when they won up here in fortuitous circumstances.

mickeyboy

Harmison has had a benefit for the last 2 years with the contact he's on for little or no return

Mark

That would be funny!

chrissafc

it would be amusing if the weather in manchester is nice

Tynevalleyblackcat

Nice to be able to sit through the rain, knowing its helping us for a change. Lancs need to win and we don't. I would take a rained off draw now

tomb

Could we talk Strauss out of retirement to open for us....... Hew would get on with Will, both ex Durham Uni, both polite well spoken lads, both world class batsman... wait, scrap the last one.

chrissafc

:)

tomb

Thought it would be on a golf course or at St James' Park

chrissafc

yeah thre is talk of a benefit game, heard it will be down in London

marchy22

hughes and harris would do me as signings as we have plenty still at the club

tomb

If we lose Harmison and say Plunkett off the wage bill, maybe Brathwaite too, then could get Harris in.Is it not Harmisons benefit next season? Save up your pennies.

chrissafc

it's time we gave the current crop a chance instead of wanting to bring in loads of new faces. an opener is a must but we have plenty elsewhere already at the club. got to start giving these lads a chance.

marchy22

i would have carberry and definitely hughes as far harris he would be a great addition if england plan on onions being their drinks carrier again next summer

tomb

Rushworth and Mark Davies would have been a tight partnership as well. Stuart, your post is taking over the page.....

chrissafc

hughes is the opener i would like to see at durham. that is the only thing i would like to see brought in. obviously would like to see the back of harmison and i think some others need chasing also.

stuartp

As I said a rebuilding phase. Over the next 2-3 seasons most of the team will have had to change. Diva,Colly,Benks,Plunktt,Davies,Thorp,Harmison&Harmison,Coetzer. We will be building around Stoneman,Smith,Muchall,Stokes,Jennings,Mustard,Richardson,Borthwick,Rushforth,Onions,Claydon,Wood

tomb

Carberry? Phil Hughes? Harris,good prospect but we're overloaded with bowlers already.

Mark

Colly's plan to have bowlers who apply pressure by accurate bowling has worked perfectly-Thorp is great at that type of bowling. Wood & Harrison also very promising strike bowlers who will be v handy if/when weather is better next year and pitches are more batsmen friendly.

marchy22

id like to see durham join notts in making james harris from glamorgan a contract offer

tomb

The most important issue is, are the beer prices staying the same next season?

marchy22

collingwood said after the worcs that durham would be making signings this off season with an experienced opener a definite

tomb

Smith has another year, not sure about muchall, think he has another year? If Plunkett does stay it must be his last chance to come good. Got the impresion Thorp had signed, he said he was staying on next season after the Worcs game.

chrissafc

collingwood likes callum thorp, fully expect him to sign his 1 year deal

chrissafc

benks will be staying. harmison and plunkett have no future at durham

tomb

Benks can carry on for two more seasons hopefully. Thorp should manage another year at least. Colly two more years. I like the look of Wallace for Glamorgan but dont know if theres any chance of getting him. Not sure Strauss can be classed as great, his century haul is excellent but an average of 40 in the recent test matchera is probably below par on flat wickets against average bowling attacks. Good bloke and great captain though.

Rain....

Just as the inspection was due, the heavens have opened! Pretty heavy rain too....

1:40pm

brandonia

I take it the 1:30 inspection was knocked on the head?!

Mark

Thorp is out of contract at the end of the season but has been offered a one year extension.

stuartp

Questions about Plunkett, Thorp is getting close to the end of his career, Benks likewise Harmison and Blackwell I'd agree with tomb are probably gone. So we do really need to look at what the options are for the future.

Mark

Thunder?! It would be OK for us if there was no play today, a draw and a few bonus points will do nicely. Agree about Strauss, top man and player.

brandonia

Play abandoned for the day at Edgbaston.

Haslam

Just had some fairly dramatic thunder here - not looking good for getting back on as its brought rain

chrissafc

andrew strauss. a true cricketing great. enjoy your retirement.

tomb

One bad thing for me this season is we've lost so much cricket. Not just with the weather but winnig games in two and a half days, I fancy a nice long four dayer at home against Sussex.

Mark

If we had lost against Middlesex I think we would have gone down.At the members forum after day 1 of the game Colly said it doesn't take much to turn a season around and suggested Borthwick getting a wicket with the last ball of the day might just be a turning point. How right he was!

tomb

The team seem to be all together again. Doubt we'll see blackie or Harmy again. Stoneman has come on well and Rushworth has had a cracking season. Borthwick will get better. Colly has finally found his form. Happy days. Still need an opening bat and possibly an established number three.

BrianT

There have been several times this year when I saw no hope. I am so happy to be where we are. High hopes for next year with one big signing to help current squad. Does anyone know if Amla's mother is from round here?

stuartp

We seem to be in a rebuilding phase. We have lost or look like losing quite a few players this year, with a few more to go I think. The new generation is coming through and we need them to kick on if we are going to consolidate our position in Div 1 for another generation (of players at least)

tomb

It was a close call in that game, confidence might have completley gone if we'd lost it, since then we've had the belief and bits of luck (Notts)to come through the matches. I know its not 100% certain yet but delighted to still be (almost) in Div 1 next season. Hampshire can take their 20 20 cup and shove it up their you know whats.

Mark

Same for me tomb, was confident we would come good but at several points during the Middlesex game (after our first innings and before Thorp & Borthwick rescued the 2nd) I change dmy mind and thought we'd go down.

tomb

I thought we would survive though had my doubts halfway through the Middlesex game! Didnt expect to put 4 wins in a row together mind, thought it would be a very tense end to the season. Hopefully we can carry the excellent recent form into next year and challenge for the title.

Mark

Yeah they play each other in last match. We're prob guaranteed at least 6 more points-even if we lose this game and the last 1 we'll surely get max bowling points. Wouldn't count on (m)any batting ones though on this pitch or the Riverside.

tomb

Good point Brian. If there any points deductions that might complicate it as well. I think lancs and worcs to go.

BrianT

It is not possible for Surrey and Lancs to win all of their games.

Mark

Yes, highly unlikely we will get back into trouble.

tomb

We were saying against Worcester if they beat us and win their next game, etc, etc, we will be fine.

BrianT

Only one team earned 24 points from any game this season in league 1.

tomb

Well if we take the most pessimistic outcome possible then we are not totally out of the woods, realistically Lancs, Surrey, Worcs arent going to win all their games and we will get some bonus points at the very least.

marchy22

we lose this one and lancs win their game in hand then they would be back to around level points

tomb

Agree, hard to be interested in England when its a mixture of South African players and golden boys (Broad)who I dont rate as a bowler. If onions plays will take an interest again. Its also clear that most teams dont give two figs about test matches at the moment aside from South Africa, Australia and England.

marchy22

we arent safe from relegation tomb

Mark

Not sure we're totally safe yet, if we lost this match might get dragged back into the relegation dogfight.

tomb

Nice to not be worried about relegation, oh sorry Lancs.

BrianT

Draw a circle, 25 miles radius, centred on Lords and you'll probably find your opener within it.

marchy22

cook says the wicket dried out and made it alot easier to bat on aqnd also that it is gonna spin alot which is not good news for us

Latest

Another inspection will be made at 1.30pm

12:54pm

stuartp

Mind you I reckoned that we would be batting shortly after tea yesterday. Anyone care to explain what happened? I had to leave the office for the several hour drive home and missed the last 100-150 for Lancs.

stuartp

Compton is the stand out player in the LVCC at the moment. You would have to think he stands a chance of getting into the team once he recovers from the current injury.

Mark

Possibly Trott Marchy? Move him up to open and bring someone else into the middle order. Or maybe Joe Root if selectors think he is ready for test cricket.

Latest

No rain here since first thing - will have an update once the umpires have taken a look

12:36pm

marchy22

who will be the new opener for england then?

manurule175

New opener for England?

brandonia

Is it raining Yvette?

Mark

He said his form with the bat was the major reason for the decision to quit and he was thinking about retiring before the KP story broke

Tristan

shocker. didnt see this coming two days ago. not even just international cricket either? he must have plenty of runs left in him

BrianT

So it's a Strauss Waltz then? Is he any relation?

Mark

lol Do you know Michael Vaughan has aslready signed up for the show? Seriously!

keenasmustard

So it's Strauss for the next series of Strictly Come Dancing then.

Mark

Cook confirmed as test captain

BrianT

Very sad to hear he is retiring from all cricket because he can play the game. Shows what the pressure is like. Hope he ain't going to work for Sky though!

daleslass

It was interesting to hear Cork speaking about it on Sky

geordieboy

KP for captain!

Mark

Strauss retiring from all cricket according to Sky

Tristan

@BrianT i kind of feel the same way, can't really put my finger on why. doesn't help that i really dislike trott and he has become a bland run machine

BrianT

All I know is that over the last year or two I've started to lose interest in England and this turned to dislike. I Think it started with Chris Broad's on-field criticism of other fielders.

Mark

Cook is a player who always seems to rise to a challenge-people doubted his one day credentials and he proved them wrong. Will be interesting to see how he goes as test skipper.

Tristan

im only really saying prior cuz i like him, seems a good character but not really captain material. swann would be a total maverick - would be fantastic or abject failure but would be fun all the way through!

Tristan

don't really think cook or broad are good choices. bresnan not good enough to get in the team. prior or swann for me

BrianT

You're talking daft now! Bresnan? That's the problem, Cook, Prior, Bresnan, Broad. It will probably be someone like Rory Hamilton Brown. Swann, now you're talking sense.

Tristan

'supposed to' yes. so kick him out, problem solved, don't see how this affects captaincy? i would love to see swann as captain

daleslass

Tristan - wasn't the almighty KP supposed to have sent texts dissing Strauss ?

manurule175

Id say cook or prior yea, then maybe Bresnan?

Mark

Mike Atherton suggested Matt Prior as a possibility Brian. This was last week, before Strauss was expected to resign.

BrianT

Alistair Cook is already showing signs of form being affected by pressure. I don't think he is the right man to be England Captain but don't know who else would be.

manurule175

I think its the right time for him to go, got outplayed totally by SA and rightly lost NO1 spot because of it, time for a change. + im a big alastair cook fan haha!

Tristan

lets be brutally honest, strauss is not a very good captain, he just captains one of the strongest sides in world cricket

marchy22

if he retires from test cricket too who would be next in line to be cooks opening partner

Tristan

i don't see how kevin pietersen has anything to do with strauss resigning - if that is what is happening. if anything it should bring the team closer together shouldnt it? i thought that was teh whole point of dropping KP

BrianT

Do you think one man would have caused disruption if Brierley, Close, Collingwood, etc had been captain? Weak captaincy may have contributed to the problem.

daleslass

I think its disgusting how one man can cause the possible resignation of the captain and cause so much disruption in the squad.

Tristan

what odds for KP next captain?

BrianT

Not all bad news then!

keenasmustard

What a day. No cricket being played so far and Strauss resigns as England captain.

brandonia

Make that Start Delayed at EVERY Championship ground!

brandonia

Start delayed at Taunton.

Tristan

terrible passage of play between 58-5 to 221-6. no shame in a draw, but it would have been nice to get that 5th in a row

BrianT

All 4 league 1 matches are in west and will be rain affected today.

chrissafc

cant see much play then. it was bright and sunny yesterday and it took them ages to get on.

brandonia

Might not be a bad thing for us that time is being lost from the game.

Latest

There will be no play before lunch, which will be taken at the normal time.

9:41am

Day two

There's been a fair amount of rain this morning. It has stopped and the water is being mopped up but there will be a delay. As soon as the umpires give an update we'll pass that on.

9:34am

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