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Durham CCC v Warwickshire CCC Day Three

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bigwolls

How many matches have we played that havew now been affected by rain...enough to make a big difference..

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Brandonia: Rained all night and still raining heavily now in Hartlepool. Hope I'm wrong but cant see any bright spots on the horizon!

Tristan

wow i didnt even have to sign in, so that means ive been logged in since yesterday on my work computer and logged in at home in the mean time, impressive stuff

Tristan

weather that bad is it?

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Brandonia: Draw. No chance of getting enough play today.

SixSixEight

Ooooh an open live chat - how dangerous ;)

bryn

Mornin Iain,hmm I now expect a full house tomorrow/today all chomping at the bit for free mb!

IAIN6W

Morning Bryn, I need to get a life. The joys of night shift!!

bryn

mornin peeps it's 1.10am just finished graft if anyone can post later than this the mb's are on me at the home of cricket tomorrow....er today!

IAIN6W

Boo!!!

brandonia

Night Tristy. Sweet dreams of sun and Warwickshire wickets falling!

Tristan

night brandon

Tristan

out of pure curiousity i have left this page open and checked back everynow and then, didnt think anyone would still be about. im impressed by your dedication brandy!

Tristan

hello!

brandonia

It's 23:00 and I'm still here. I'm sad as owt mate.

Tristan

good to see who the three most hardcore lmc'ers are though :)

Tristan

haha. due to the lack of time stamps i have no idea when in the last 5 hours either of you two were here

brandonia

Reckon Yvette has fallen asleep in the Media Centre? I've got this image of her laid face down in her laptop, knocking the ZZZ's out while the whole place is deserted with a few coffee cups and biscuit wrapper strewn about the place.

poolynorm

Brando Out Shaq In

Tristan

bit odd that lmc is still up tbh, are we pulling an allnighter?

Tristan

just in time for the abandonment. hello all!

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Brandonia: Cheers TVBC, us nonleaguers stick together!

Tynevalleylad

I'll support you brandonia, dont think you need much encouragement though :-)

IAIN6W

See you all tomorrow!!! Enjoy your night and take care......

That's it

Play is officially abandoned for the day. See you all tomorrow!

5:41pm

brandonia

(Just to clarify, my tongue is firmly planted in my cheek here).

brandonia

Thought not..... Bottlers!

brandonia

So no reply to my question of what happened to 'Support and Encouragement'??

christoff

Looks like no more play tonight see you all tomorrow for hopefully our first win

safcluke

Wouldn't think he would declare christoff

christoff

Will Phil declare and try and get a few wickets tonight or will he want a few more runs

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Covers are being pegged down, looks like that's it for today.

BrianT

If they go out will we get an hours play? Or does it look dodgy?

brandonia

Thanks for the vote of confidence. What happened to 'support and encouragement'?

Update

The umpires are out in the middle with the groundstaff - very light rain at the minute - will keep you posted!

5:24pm

BrianT

See you tomorrow then Brand

Response to Brandonia

I bet you can't stay away!

5:23pm

brandonia

I'm not coming to play tomorrow. I've been picked on and singled out since yesterday. Some difference that apology made......

Response to Brandonia

Sorry, I'm not having that. The result of that is you all have to give me an easy day tomorrow - if you can't say anything nice, say nothing! It is Friday, after all.

5:21pm

brandonia

The umpires don't count Yvette. They're the enemy.

LMC

Ahem...calling someone stupid isn't constructive criticism!

5:19pm

Stan Drop

Forget it for tonight lads and fingers crossed for tomorrow.

christoff

As you predicted brandy

Update

The players get to the top of the stairs and the covers come on...the rain is back.

5:11pm

christoff

Whey I

brandonia

We might not last that long christoff!

BrianT

Might have to try that in the drought areas.

christoff

Good news think I would bat for 12 overs declare and give them a tough 10 overs tonight

brandonia

Mind I don't understand why they can't just start..... This daft waiting time just increases the chance of it raining again.

BrianT

The trouble is the threat of a strike got them an extra 0.8% and that will probably be increased this week to avoid a repeat strike next week. I'm paying for it out of my pensioner's metro pass! Or am I?

brandonia

Cheers.

tomb

They dont drive them they pretty much drive themselves (automated)

Response to Brandonia

Only the wheely one

5:00pm

brandonia

Are any of the covers on.

Latest

Providing conditions don't change we're due to re-start at 5.15pm with 24 overs remaining.

4:57pm

marchy22

I'd be lucky to make that for two years work. I'll get on theft phone and say ill do the job for 25000 a year

chrissafc

metro workers are paid £32800 for driving those metros. offered 1.3 turned it down and have turned down 2.1%. pure greed

tomb

Meant to say for three years running, probably because I cant spell

poolynorm

Have a good trip Ray.Personally I wouldn't watch them if they were playing down the Font.You're not saying owt about last night Brando?

tomb

Dont like to criticise those who choose to strike but my pay has been frozen for few years runnig, though a 2% pay rise is reasonable?

brandonia

I'm sure they will Iain, hopefully they can tweak his technique someway to rid him of that issue.

IAIN6W

Probably the same as the Metro workers!!

chrissafc

hope the lads do the fans proud out in euro 2012

poolynorm

Nice to see Haslam back on here.Haven't heard much about him since he got released from Pools.Tomby,thought that myself although there's nowt worse than drivel on forum's!!

chrissafc

if thats aimed at me, not that i'm aware of. no reason to be deleted

IAIN6W

I would hope that the coaching staff would 'encourage and support' Smith to iron out his LBW problem.

BrianT

Was not one of your earlier posts deleted today?

raydetmold

very well thanks Norm , fly out to Kiev on wednesday for the sweden game on the 15th

brandonia

Just leave the LMC on arl night Yvette. I'm sure the club will pay you nightshift to moderate it!

Prospects

No more news than before - still monitoring the light - when things change we'll post an update!

4:45pm

tomb

The chat has become forum and match chat rolled into one

brandonia

Is it raining? Or are the umpires just being wimps with regard to the light?

marchy22

Any prospects of play

chrissafc

aye norm i have my opinion, tough if people don't like it. one thing i dont do is be foul, abusive or insulting.

Forum

Every time we think we've solved the spam problem we get hacked again so we're still looking into it I am afraid!

4:43pm

poolynorm

Saftas boys and girls.Yvette,any sign of the forum coming back?Brando, how was the Blur concert last night.Any sign of Ridgey? Don't take it to heart Chris.The reality is if you're not performing then your place is on the line.Agree that changes need to be made in batting line-up.Unfortunately the 2 local lads are the most likely to be dropped.How's it going Herr Ray.Not seen much of Rokes lately.

tomb

i wont argue that he knows more about it than me, there have been a lot of balls keeping low though, karl Brown for Lancs got a bad one here as well

BrianT

But you might get caught instead.

brandonia

Also, to use an example from the lbw/drs debate. If you put your bat in the place where your pad usually is, no amount of inconsistent bounce will have you lbw.

brandonia

I'm not saying you're wrong tomb but the majority of our batsmen are being caught in the slips, with the exception of Smudge who is lbw a lot. That's according to the oracle that is Tim Wellock by the way.

raydetmold

and i meant when things are not going well

raydetmold

sorry i meant county

tomb

Inconsistent bounce is causing a lot of lbw's at the Riverside, its hard going for the lads

brandonia

I agree chris. Just wanted to make it more relevant to this debate y'see ;)

raydetmold

If we were not passionate about our country then we wouldnt critisise them , if we didnt critisise when things are going well then we wouldnt be bothered

chrissafc

it's a massive part of everything in life, not just sport

brandonia

Brandonia: Of course there's such a thing as constructive criticism. There is a time for people to be told of their failings so that they can improve. If you constantly sugarcoat problems and never address them they won't get sorted. Constructive criticism is a massive part of sport and much needed. For example Smith is getting out lbw a lot. If somebody could tell him perhaps to bat a different way so that he lowers the chance of being lbw then it's a constructive way of improving his game??!

chrissafc

i just fail to see what is wrong with saying "10 runs isnt good enough" for example. i'm sure we've all said that on here in the past but for some reason at the moment it seems unacceptable by some for people to dare even have that opinion on certain things.

chrissafc

they probably won't know what cricket is in fairness.

IAIN6W

Also no cricket in North Korea too!!!

tomb

If confidence is the problem cant see criticism helping them. Rocky has looked distraught the last few times he has been out

chrissafc

unless you live in north korea

chrissafc

of course their is such as thing as constructive criticism.

IAIN6W

No such thing as constructive criticism. They cancel each other out. One part means to build up and the other means to tear down. Support and encourage instead.

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Brandonia: Brightening up in Brandon.

chrissafc

been in a few times.

tomb

Have they made an announcement, cant see the light improving?

keenasmustard

On a different note, does anyone go to the book shop in the media centre? Got some great bargains there.

chrissafc

tim wellock and emmo are very good at that. it's part of their job. should be no different for a member/supporter

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Brandonia: That's alreet then!

chrissafc

agree with that Iain, though some people need to accept their is room for constructive criticism.

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Brandonia: Shhh Steph. The umpires don't know that!!

chrissafc

aye she's at the cricket and coldplay whilst I'm stuck at work. she's back to work the end of the month though.

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teph mind isn't she?!!!

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Brandonia: If we do get on, there is a possibility of playing the extra half hour - which would cause havoc with Emmo's Coldplay plans! Lady of leisure S

stephsafc

I'm no longer there mate. Wouldn't kno what the light is like.

IAIN6W

Yvette,how about introducing the 'LMC Naughty Step' ?? Might give your ears a rest........ Also DCCC going through a transitional period,with certain players getting old,and young players gaining experience. Keep the faith that the powers to be will get it right. Also in sport as in life they are no guarantees. To support a team means to give them your all even in the bad times.

chrissafc

would be nice to get to 250

chrissafc

steph has left for coldplay though she did query the light a while back before it was raining. hopefully we can get some play in before the end of the day.

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Brandonia: Tell the umpires to man up, Steph reckons its ok!

tomb

Sounds promising ish.....

Latest

The covers are coming off but the light is still bad so the situation is being monitored and we'll get out as soon as poss.

4:18pm

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Brandonia: Any news from the umpires?

tomb

For the record, I think we'll stay up, I believe we're better than Surrey and Worcester, possibly Sussex but of course the weather may well be a factor. A win here would give us a huge boost

tomb

I've enjoyed our Div1 days so much I dont want it to end, worried that if we go down the odd player may be snapped up by a 'bigger county'. Of course would still renew season ticket but I would hate to see us be like a Hampshire or leicester and put all our focus on the one dayers and go through the motions in the county stuff.

safcluke

I'm in the camp of "international cricket is 50 overs, so cb40 should be cb50"

keenasmustard

If the worst was to happen and we were relegated it wouldn't be the end of the world. At the end of the day I go to watch a game of cricket and when I'm there I can just relax and leave behind the busy-busy of work and family life. I would of course prefer us to stay up but on the plus side we might get to play Yorkshire if they don't come up.

tomb

I much prefered the old 50 over cup. Used to get good crowds for those games. 20 20 after work on a Friday is okay, not a fan of Sunday games right in the middle of the day for 20 20.

chrissafc

though i do enjoy the cb40 stuff.

chrissafc

likewise, just hope we stay up.

tomb

I love coming to the games but would be very disapointed if we did get relegated, couldnt really care what happens in the one day stuff this year as long as we stay up, just my opinion.

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night. Cheers.

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ing certain dismissals there has also been some poor batting. It's a bit of both. Anyhow, let's get another 50, put the yam yams in and have them 30-4 to

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dy wants to be able to say 'told you so' either, it's just frustrating when it occurs. There has been some good bowling this season but I'm afraid in see

Tristan

ciao for now all

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Brandonia: We're bottom of the league but we're still here - I think that proves our colours are nailed to the mast. I don't want anyone to fail and nobo

Tristan

just yet?? perhaps i better just make the check payable to you!!!

Response to Tristan

That's fine - I'll not block your LMC account just yet!

4:04pm

Tristan

aye i think we would have seen more young bloods if the results ahd been better. although its harder to drop in form players so it is a tricky juggling act to play!

tomb

Geooff said last night they're at the stage where they are balancing current results and feeding in players for the future

Tristan

ive got to dash good luck to all the boys & girls of DCCC & LMCCC. btw yvette im really sorry i havent posted that cheque out yet but will be doing so tomorrow morning. thansk again for all your help re: yearbook

Tristan

well said haslam

Tristan

we are at a real crossroads here, due to key players approaching the ends of their careers

Haslam

The boys have done us proud for most of the past decade, most of our fans can recall never winning any games back in the 90's so a bad run isn't going to knock us too hard. Everyone is entitled to their views but lets keep things in perspective "if you can't support us when we lose or draw then don't support us when we win".

keenasmustard

I have to say that when things go well the majority are happy but when we get a season like this then the criticism starts. Some of it may be justified and some of it not. People are entitled to their opinions and the whole point of a platform like LMC is to debate it. It would be boring if we all agreed on everything. Now we are getting some cricket, the batsmens scores are improving and as Geoff Cook said, things would look different with 2 or 3 wins under our belt.

Tristan

it only makes sense however that we would like players like jennings and richardson and wood and raine etc to come in and do great as they are the future

tomb

I think some do if it proves them right (e.g Harmison, muchall, etc),not meaning on the forum but people at the game, I told you so, etc. of course the palyers care about their performances, you can see the disapointment when they trudge back to the pavilion, yeah, a great set of lads

chrissafc

the players are always approachable & believe it or not they are the first to admit things aren't going great. good set of lads as was shown on sunday night

Tristan

we all just want whats best for dccc, when results arent gonig our way then of course second guessing of team selections go on, obviously in a n ideal world everyone will find form and score tons of runs and take tons of wickets

Tristan

im sure the players take these results to heart far more than we do; as a result im sure that whilst some people on here voice doubts about selection they would never dream of saying a bad word to the players themselves, we all appreciate what they do for dccc

chrissafc

agree brandonia.

christoff

Thanks for response I for one appreciated them taking the time out and enjoyed there input

tomb

Has it stopped raining there?

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The umpires are going to go out and take a look at 4.10pm.

3:57pm

Response to christoff

Well, that didn't take long! We'll get the players on as and when it's possible. I think it's fair to say that we can't win really - if we bring them on some people will suggest they should be focusing on the cricket while others will think we're not bringing them on because of the content on here or results. Difficult call to make! We'll take it as it comes!

3:56pm

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Brandonia: I don't think any of the regulars on here take pleasure in Durham players failing.

chrissafc

if thats it for the game we've taken 8 points (i think) from the game

tomb

Sometimes its just good bowling on lively wickets, not bad batting.

christoff

I take it from Yvette's silence that we will not have players joining us again, shame it went down really well last year

Stan Drop

BBC weather forecast looks absolutely dire for the rest of this evening slight chance of some dry spells for tomorrow. I guess that there won't be any more play today and not much tomorrow either at CLS or in Brum

chrissafc

nobody has been abusive or insulting on here.

tomb

I thought most of the points made at the forum were resonable but some people clearly aren't happy unless they're moaning (or take a perverse pleasure in people failing).

safcluke

not once have i criticised a player in an abusive manner.

safcluke

Listen christoff, many fans pay money to watch Durham, if they aren't happy, surely they are entitled to express an opinion?

chrissafc

spot on luke

safcluke

"doom and gloom merchants" meaning fans who aren't happy with being bottom of the league?

christoff

Yvette, last season a few of the players (I remember Mitch, Scotty and Colonel) joined the chat to answer questions is that possible this year or have the doom and gloom merchants spoilt it for everyone?

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Brandonia: Is Blotter batting for us?!! Jokes aside, has the rain stopped?!

stephsafc

Right, I'm off, I'll see you all later.

stephsafc

Blotter out.

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Geordie.

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MBH; hodgson gets sacked, steve bruce gets the job. Loses every game and blames the defeats on the sunderland fans. Bruce blames the sack on him being a

safcluke

aye, never any chance of play.

keenasmustard

Test match abandoned for the day.

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"pleased with how the tournament went".

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MBH: Germany. England fail to make it out of the group finishing bottom. Big inquiry afterwards. Nothing happens. Hodgson will be called turnip head. FA

safcluke

San Marino.

stephsafc

England will win... obviously....

chrissafc

euro 2012 predictions?

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MBH; happy thought is that we have a lead of 227 with 3 wickets left on a tricky wicket.

BrianT

Closing all tabs and walking to SOL.

stephsafc

I'll be heading away soon. Got a matter of a coldplay concert to get to. Doesn't look as though ill see anymore cricket.

chrissafc

"poverty wages" apparently

IAIN6W

Has to be the red ball always.....

BrianT

Any Metro Drivers in the ground? Make yourself known please.

safcluke

lvcc and test cricket is the way forward, always has been and always will be.

stephsafc

I'm not into the t20. Got hit by the ball against Lancs 2 seasons ago. I prefer pro40 to anything.

chrissafc

happy thoughts........ euro 2012 starts tomorrow.

safcluke

I dont really like 20/20.

IAIN6W

Happy thoughts.... wife in from work and kids in from school!!!!

Mark

Yes, the break might have the opposite effect this year. With a bit of luck we'll go into the t20 full of confidence after a win tomorrow.

BrianT

Happy thoughts. T20 probably caused us to slip down the league last year. Can't happen this year though.

Mark

Let's hope for good weather!

chrissafc

starts next week vs yorkshire. gibbs should be due up here soon

Mark

Happy thoughts would be I think we have been superb in the 40 over games and hope that form transfers into the t20

stephsafc

Happy thoughts..... it is nice and dry in the members lounge :D I will probably have to leave b4 the innings restart.

Mark

and they'll be on strike next week when I'm going to see Bruce Springsteen.

chrissafc

happy thoughts...... the metro drivers get 32 grand a year page... oh wait a moment

LMC

Can we take a break from the debate for a moment - No opinions will change while it's raining and I've got a headache! I shall update you as the weather clears! Let's think happy thoughts!

3:22pm

chrissafc

smith, diva and stokes are our top scorers at the moment. when harrison is scoring 20 runs for the 2nd time in 3 games, i fail to see why others at the top can't do it.

stephsafc

Don't think there's anything wrong with the comments. They arent foul or personal, they don't insult and its an opinion I think the players can benefit from. It highlights that we all appreciate their effort. I do wish SMS that you would put your name to your personal vendetta to people on here though.

Mark

Benks*

Mark

Battinh has been very difficult this season and even Benks & Diva have had a tough time of it. Batting in the top 3 must be especially tricky so I wouldn't judge the players too harshly but it is a worry especially as Beks & Diva can't go on forever.

chrissafc

his pro 40 form is excellent as i have mentioned numerous times in the last couple of years.

tomb

Muchall at 6! If he can knock the ball around for ones and twos in the 40 overs he could di it in the LVCC ,just maybe not against the new ball at the top of the order.

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present but it will come. Let's hope the players don't read your comments

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es as opposed to 8 and excelled in the Pro 40 to top last years achievement as top scorer and highest average. Everyone is struggling to maintain form at

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It might be your opinion which u have voiced on so many occasions. Have an opinion but stop forcing it on people every minute of everyday. He's had 3 gam

chrissafc

yeah i think it's a valid opinion, it's not foul or abusive. it's an opinion based on facts for this season. we can't keep carrying players who can't score runs if we intend to stay in this division. viv richards last week was saying "you won't win test matches when top order only score 20 runs each" - same thing for lvcc in my opinion. strikers who don't score goals in football are queried, same thing in my view applies in cricket. don't score runs........

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s doing ok at the minute though. Crap weather.

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ight not be under threat? Stands to reason that if you don't score many runs or take many wickets then your place will be questioned. That's cricket. Lad

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MBH: Richardson isn't going to get in as a batsman and mustard isn't going to open. We know who plays where. MDV will open. As for whose place might or m

tomb

I like Stoneman as a batsman, at times he has been unfortunate but I suppose he needs runs at some point. I cant help but think that the wickets here dont help our young batsmens confidence and establish themselves in the game

stephsafc

Well said Mark and Chris. All tbe Durham players are cracking lads and I'm sure they put the effort in, but parts of the cricket just aint good enough.

Mark

I agree Chris, it isn't working but what I meant was I think it's fair comment from you to point it out.

Mark

Our 4 day batting is so reliant on Benks & Diva, it's a problem but not a lot we can do about it because those two are world class players and we're lucky to have them.

chrissafc

of course they will be trying their best. unfortunately it's not working for them at the moment & why I feel changes in that area need to be made.

stephsafc

Groundstaff aren't even on the field now. Sums up what the weather is like really.

Mark

I think it's a fair point to mention Stoneman & Muchall, I'm sure they're both trying their best but it's not working. Maybe they just need a bit of luck because both have done well in the 40 over games.

chrissafc

it's not a personal vendetta either. i just dont think 67 runs in 6 innings is very good. what's wrong with saying that?

Mark

Gibbs & Mustard to open for me-I don't think Diva will play.

chrissafc

accept my opinion if you don't like it then tough.

chrissafc

dear sms. i think it's a valid opinion that the batting problems lie with stoneman and muchall in the lvcc. not many will disagree. some are standing up as shown in the last couple of games, some aren't though.

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Rain is falling pretty steadily now...full covers are on.

3:07pm

chinesecut

Why not open with Diva and Mustard. Let Mustard go out and play some shots. Hes been one of the players of the season in one day cricket. Colly 3 Stokes 4 benks 5 blackie 6 richardson 7 scotty 8 onions 9 harrison 10 rushworth / harmy 11

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any times, nobody is interested

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ket this year! Change the record it's really getting boring! Everyone has to stand up and be counted collectively as a team. You've voiced your dislike m

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Chrissafc if u think the only problems lie with Muchall (obvious personal vendetta for some warped reason) and Stoneman you haven't watched a lot of cric

Mark

What does everyone think about our chances in the t20? We're usually awful in that competition but with Benks in charge last year we did pretty well.

stephsafc

All covers now on.

Mark

Of the two(Stoneman & Muchall) Rocky is imo more suited to number 3 but neither entirely convincing.

stephsafc

It's looking horrendous out there Tbh. I'll be surprised if theres any more play till about 4pm

IAIN6W

Good afternoon all.Looks like things are starting to tick,however looks like it will be 'Middlesex' all over again. Does that look like it for the day? Also 100% to Brandiona yesterday,bit of humility,when you can hold your hands up and say you were wrong.

chrissafc

yeah colly and benks were at their very best on sunday. they were equally good together on tuesday when batting

safcluke

what next? Open the bowling with Stoneman?

Terrier

I was in the ground on Sunday when Colly and Benks batted the last 6 overs of the Durham innings. They scored 60 runs and the timing and placement were a privilege to watch. I appreciate it was a non pressure situation, but both were pure class.

chrissafc

leave diva where he is. the problems are stoneman and muchall. what GC does with them is up to him

safcluke

What are you talking about? Diva at three? Possibly the most ridiculous thing i've heard this week.

Mark

When Diva comes back could we ask him to bat at 3 or is it best to keep him opening? We definitely could do with an experienced player at 3 because we're usually 2 down really early on so the middle-order are having to bat against the new ball.

chrissafc

difficult batting conditions this game and he's batted very well. he was excellent on tuesday.

tomb

Collingwood is batting well without the big scores to show for it. Would still prefer him to put his hand up and go in at 3

stephsafc

Ha, full of surprises me Luke.

safcluke

Desolate, big word for a little person young Stephanie.

stephsafc

Looks pretty desolate out there now.

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Brandonia: Any sign of it clearing or is that it for the day?!

Mark

I'm a bit surprised he hasn't bowled more in the Championship, think he could be very effective when the ball is nipping around

Mark

Definitely.

chrissafc

he's had a frustrating start but when you hear the saying of "form is temporary, class is permanent" i'd much stick collingwood in that list as opposed to some other players.

Mark

Yep, same Colly! I knew he would come good.

Mark

Colly has been brilliant recently. He's the ideal player in these situations.

christoff

The same Collingwood that a few people were saying was past it and should be dropped a couple of weeks ago ;-)

BrianT

Waited all day for someone to agree with me on something. Even my wife has gone to her mother's.

Mark

That's true Brian, incompetent by the umpire not to be even looking!

chrissafc

raining heavy and covers now on

chrissafc

collingwood starting to prove his worth recently. another good patient knock here which is helping us greatly.

BrianT

Whether it was out or not is not the point though.

Mark

I wasn't there on Saturday Brian but heard about the run out that wasn't given. People I spoke to said it was definitely out.

BrianT

So what's new Mark. Did you not see the umpire turn his back on a runout on Saturday? Don't mind an umpire giving batsman benefit of the doubt but these are just guessing.

chrissafc

couldnt understand why they went off on tuesday for about 15 minutes.

Mark

Some of the umpiring in this match has been awful.

Mark

Although it would have been worse if one of them had been dismissed and then the umpires stopped play.

stephsafc

It's no where near as dark as it was last week and we kept playing. That said, it gives Colly a bit of time to get his hand seen to. Kids on the pitch seem to be able to see their balls and play though.

Mark

It's also very dark and threatening to rain where I am about 3 miles from the ground so not looking promising. Annoying to go off when Colly & Borthwick were playing so well.

keenasmustard

Raining in Hartlepool now.

Mark

I know Brandonia! Always a risk of jinxing things so I'd better say anything under 300 will be a formality for the Bears and even if we get more than 300 I'd be very susrpised if we won!!

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Brandonia: Aye, fair point Mark. I wasnt trying to be awkward. I was just trying NOT to invoke the LMC Curse!!

chrissafc

excellent 45 minutes for durham

chrissafc

the other half is at the ground and she said the light isnt half as bad as what it was vs Lancs day 1

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lepool!

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ike at the ground? Light isn't great at Hartlepool and there's a bit drizzle about but id say play was possible - unfortunately we aren't playing at Hart

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Brandonia: I think the break benefits them more than us. That said, an excellent 45 minutes or so for us on the basis of not losing a wicket. What's it l

Mark

They bat to 11 but in a 4th innings run chase I wouldn't back their lower order to get the runs if we knock over the top order relatively cheaply.

Bad light

Instead, bad light brings play to a halt. Durham 147-7.

2:30pm

Update

Bit of a pause in play after Colly gets hit on the hand but fear not, Super Nige to the rescue! We're back on!

2:29pm

BrianT

Bowling bouncers in the dark? Good sports. They must want to go off and save 3 points.

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Brandonia: You kind of nullified your point of their top order struggling by stating they bat to 11. I reckon we need 270 minimum.

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Brandonia: Keep battling lads. Partnerships win matches!!

Mark

Warwickshire bat right down to number 11 but-famous last words-their top order looks suspect to me so if we bowl and field well we have a great chance.

Mark

They'll probably wait until a wicket falls and then go off!

safcluke

Think we need a lead of 250 to be comfortable.

BrianT

Umpires seem to be more tolerant of bad light and drizzle this season.

Mark

Does anyone know if Breese will be fit for the start of the t20? He looked OK when I saw him at the ground yesterday.

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Durham 137-7, leading by 217, Colly 25* and Borthwick 10*.

2:13pm

BrianT

Cricinfo. Marty and LMC all you need. Unfortunately you have to go looking for Cricinfo now. Link used to be straight there.

Mark

He'll probably be out now I've said this but Colly has been superb recently-back to his gritty, determined best.

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Brandonia: Beeb website is pants like. I might withhold my license fee next year!

BrianT

I'm not a spokesman for Harmy. Do you believe every thing you read? One of the members said Rushy was touched by a text Harmy had sent him after the CB40. Don't know whether to believe him or not really. Lead starting to look comfortable now.

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Brandonia: Colly now the highest scorer in our 2nd innings. Double it please Paul. I double dare you heww!

Tynevalleyblackcat

Just keep hanging on in there lads. Lead now at 217

Mark

Onions, Harrison, Harmison & Rushworth or Thorp.

Mark

I'm agreeing with you Brian, I don't think he is a trouble maker. I was listening to commentary yesterday and Martin Emmerson said Harmy had been working hard in the gym all winterbecause he was desperate to be fit for the season.

chinesecut

If all bowlers were fit, which 4 would you choose?

christoff

I believe we have a cracking chance of winning this match!!

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to I'll shut up!

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Brandonia: Aye but he was on about rumour Brian. If Harmy actually said it then surely you believe it to be true?? Or if that's not what you're referring

BrianT

Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear! Marvin Gaye circa 1967

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Brandonia: Has anyone got a link to these Harmison comments? Be interested to read what he said.

chrissafc

it's like me going to the boro gazette and slagging off where i work

chrissafc

slagging off your employers in the media isn't very professional in my opinion

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Brandonia: I imagine it's a bit 'smoky' down there is it Chris?!!

BrianT

How would that make him a trouble maker?

Mark

Throughout his career Harmy has come in for a lot of what I'd call unfair criticism. Part of it is because he always looks so laid back in the field-think that's justthe wasy he is and not a sign thathe doesn't care.

chrissafc

you're purely assuming

chrissafc

his comments about the club last season were an absolute disgrace regarding the release of his brother. total lack of respect for the cricket club

Mark

Brian, there was an article in the Daily Mail that mentioned it was Harmy himself who tried to go out on loan. So the rumour that he refused to go on loan was not true.

BrianT

Why? Do you think he's a trouble maker?

chrissafc

you're purely assuming

chrissafc

what makes you say that brian?

Mark

For me Luke the stats don't tell the full story-he could have had 5 wickets yestersy with a bit more luck. gain just imo but he is definitely worth his place in the team.

BrianT

Whatever anyone thinks of his bowling now, recent comments about him causing dressing room unrest were laughable.

chrissafc

dark and miserable here in boro, nothing new to be fair :)

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Brandonia: Raining here in Hartlepool.

chrissafc

probably because he's a high earner. just an opinion

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Brandonia: 210-7.

safcluke

I like Harmy, loved him as a bowler when he used to charge in for England, but if he isn't doing it now, why is he still in the team?

chrissafc

all about opinions which is the way it should be.

Mark

Harmy is often an unlucky bowler, was causing a lot of problems yesterday afternoon and he also 'takes' wickets for bowlers at the other end. Mind you I am biased in my opinions because I like him!

chrissafc

harrison 26 per wicket. claydon 26.57 a wicket. thorp 29.08 and onions 12.61. blackwell 29.11. stokes 28.77

safcluke

borthwicks place in the team seems a tad pointless, the lad never bowls more than 3/4 overs.

chrissafc

harmison is averaging 45 runs per wicket at present.

safcluke

Why would Brathwaite play?

Mark

Harmison & Plunkett are senior players so there's no point in having both of them in the second team unless they both bowl absolute dross and lose all confidence. Plunkett's confidence is fragile so best leave him for the one dayers right now. Harmy may not be the bowler he once was but imo he's still a very good player.

Tristan

right must be off. stick around marchy, get us a score here to get us in the box seat

Tristan

you need a slice of luck in cricket and sadly its not being going for us this year but i agree he is as good a coach as we could wish for

Mark

Geoff Cook is one of the most experiences and respected coaches around so I would back him to make the right decisions even if they seem strange.

chrissafc

brathwaite is an attacking bowler so not selected yet harmison and plunkett have been selected recently? hmmmm

Mark

I was suprised we didn't loan Davies to Kent as opposed to making the deal permanent. When he's fit he is a world class bowler. However we don't know what was going on behind the scenes.

Tristan

lead is past 200 now

Tristan

@chinesecut; davies up here just wasnt worknig for anyone. it was teh right thing to let him go, for his sake if nothign else, a change of luck was needed and im happy for him to start getting his career back on track

Mark

I agree Tristan, I know Harmy has been criticised and I was not there on Saturday for the conclusion of the Lancs match but from what I've seen he seems to be bowling pretty well.

Tristan

lead is 197 iirc, lets get up to 250 and start rolling into them, we dont want to go into tomorrow needing too many wickets

chinesecut

If you want a reliable economical bowler why let Davies go. If we are going to struggle this season why not give some of the younger players a chance in preparation for next season

safcluke

hmm, strange.

Tristan

working fine for me, from bbc site

safcluke

Is comms not working today?

Tristan

plunkett has bowled pretty well in the cb40 but it does seem an unnecessary risk to play him and harmison together in four day games. confidence seems very fragile atm and we need to win games to renew it, safety first is the policy we need imo

tomb

Dont agree about Plunkett, why would you play your most out of form bowler (as he has been for three or so years). In one dayers maybe as he can bat and field well

christoff

Howay the lads - lets get this game won pronto!!

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Under way again. Colly takes single off the last ball of the over and keeps Scotty off strike

Mark

I do understand the alternate view-low scores means strike bowlers more important but I can see the logic in Cook's decisions

Second session

Back from lunch - Durham 117-7, leading by 197, Colly 14* and Borthwick 0*.

1:44pm

tomb

Geoff said as Brathwaite develops they hope he can improve his game by being able to contain rather than go for a wicket every ball

Mark

So for me at least ome of Harmy & Plunkett has to play, Harrison has bee superb but is inexperienced so you also need steady, reliable bowlers.

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Brandonia: Backing the players is all well and good but surely if you have a chance to bring in someone better you take it??

Mark

I just think in seamer friendly conditions good, tight bowling is crucial. Harmison & Plunkett as senior players need to play first team cricket because no point in them languishing in the seconds.

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r you want. Besides I don't care about other teams low scoring, it's ours that is an issue.

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Brandonia: That argument doesn't work on the basis of what Tristy replied to it. Plus in answer to the batting question - you can make stats look whateve

Tristan

i'd rather have an expensive wicket taker than a non threatening low economy bowler

tomb

There is a rule in place that any overseas player must have played or be playing a certain number of internationals, that rules out young promising talent, also he says we need to back the players we've got

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Brandonia: Did anyone ask about overseas for THIS year? Tim Wellock kind of did today in his column but we may never get an answer to that?

christoff

I'm not a big fan of Brathwaite but if you are defending a low score you need wickets so not convinced that argument works?

Tristan

and yet harmison & plunkett both have been picked - both are expensive attacking bowlers

christoff

What the question of wether overseas player policy would be reviewed for next year?

Mark

That's what I thought about Brath too-great minds think alike :-)

tomb

Just Geoff and David Harker. The reason given for no Brathwaite is that he is an attacking bowler and with us defending low scores he is too much of a risk, hence selecting Rushoworth and Harrison.

tomb

As Geoof pointed out most sides have scored no batting points on the Riverside wicket, its not easy for players to find some form on

Mark

Which players were there Tom or was it just Geoff & David Harker

Tristan

@tomb - what was geoff's responce re:brathwaite. does seem odd he is sso overlooked despite bowling very well last year

Tristan

once again crucial wickets go at the end of sessions. i blame the tea lady

Mark

I do think the awful weather at the start of the season was the main reason for the poor start. Batsmen had no chance to find form-it was either raining or conditions were horrific for batting. Probably the main reason we couldn't take advantage on the one occasion we played in decent conditions on a good pitch-Taunton.

tomb

The number three spot, the lack or runs generally, non selection of Brathwaite. Also some bloke was complaining about the upkeep of parts of the ground and there were issues over water dripping onto the members lounge and people standing up there (apologies to people who were there)

BrianT

Contented folks tend not to go to Cricket Forums and Golf Club AGM's.

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Brandonia: What were the complaints about?

tomb

I was at the forum, thought Geoff answered all the questions very well, there were quite a few complainers there

Stan Drop

Mr Cricket would certainly provide some welcome ballast to the upper-middle order.

Mark

Wouldn't surprise me at all if that's what happens!Don't know if it's been mentioned but Tim Wellock is suggesting we should try and get Mike Hussey back for the second half of the season-Australia have no cricket after the ODI series until the t20 world cup in mid-september. Chanderpaul not an option because the West Indies have a series against New Zealand.

BrianT

Not how it works. We'll be bowled out under heavy skies and they will return tomorrow afternoon and knock off the runs in bright sunshine.

Mark

I wasn't at the forum, went down around tea time but could only stay a cpl of hours. Bet it was an interesting discussion.

Mark

This will probably jinx things but imo any target over 200 will be tricky to chase and if we somehow get a 250 lead we'd be strong favourites. That's assuming we bowl well of course.

chrissafc

anyone at the members forum last night?

chrissafc

mustard struggling badly with the bat in the lvcc

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Brandonia: Awful morning. Just vile.

safcluke

need another 70 here.

Wicket...

Mustard is out for 5, Durham 116-7 as lunch is taken. Lead is 196.

1:01pm

christoff

That will do us like Brandy

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Brandonia: I'm praying to Fat Buddah for just ONE 50 in the Durham innings!

stephsafc

As per request "we're in bother".... we've done better than expected to be fair, just got to dig our heals in and keep going. Haway Durham

stephsafc

As per request "we're in bother".... we've done better than expected to be fair, just got to dig our heals in and keep going. Haway Durham

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Brandonia: Clouds do look rather heavy tbf. As if they're due to dump a few gallon!

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our season. We need another 90 or so runs from the last 4 wickets to put us in a good position.

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In fairness no one has looked particularly comfortable on this wicket. Its tricky. An 80 lead on firts innings could turn out to be of huge importance to

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Brandonia: I can't see me hanging around very long Tristy. I get edgy around meal times.

tomb

Is this bad weather really on the way as people originally said the last 3 days would be washed out

Tristan

that what happens when you say they look comfortable steph! brandy jsut get out there and bat positive, i dont think we need too big a lead to have a chance here, with bad weather to come they may not have enough time to reach a winning total, we need enough tim e to bowl them though so a reasonable total at a decent trike rate would do me

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Brandonia: Say we're in bother Steph. Saying we look comfortable didn't work?

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Could get very interesting now. 200 was always a big ask on this wicket.

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Brandonia: I think it's fair to say we're in bother now.

stephsafc

Benks gone on 21. Gd bowling

Durham 106-6

Durham 106-6, lead is 186, Benks is caught off Woakes for 21. Mustard joins Colly 8*.

12:39pm

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ed the highest total of the match in 4th innings.

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Brandonia: Yep, I'd agree with that Anon. Want over 300 lead if we can help it but IMO if we get a 280 lead and Warks win they deserve to win having scor

stephsafc

Spitting on again. Hope it doesn't get heavier, these 2 r comfortable

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First target here has to be to get this innings total to 200 for a 280 lead.

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Brandonia: Interesting article in today's Echo - Durham Diary suggests Mike Hussey may be a good bet to rescue our season............

Tristan

going to have to leave you all now. keep going lads, see if you can get to lunch christoff, will have a bacon butty waiting for you in the pavillion, then we'll have a quick slog after lunch and think about a sporting declaration at tea

Tristan

standrop scored 11, christoff currently 15*. brandy, marchy, ridgeley & stephsafc to come

christoff

Benks going for it here run a ball 17, keep it going fella

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Brandonia: No pressure or owt but I think these two have to take us to lunch now...... Tricky period this. We're on the verge of giving Warwickshire a sniff.

BrianT

Radio did give credit for it to GC

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Chrissafc well done harrison. Great effort

christoff

Great effort Harra, hopefully these two will take the game away from Warks now

tomb

That was Geoff Cooks stat from yesterday

Durham five down

Durham 86-5, Harrison is caught by Chopra off Milnes for 23. Colly joins Benks (9*).

12:17pm

BrianT

Interesting stat from radio. Yesterday's bowling attack had less than 800 first class wickets between them. 737 of these were Steve Harmison's.

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Brandonia: Hopefully he proves me wrong and smashes 70 odd though!

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's 'due' to fall.

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Brandonia: Agree with TVBK. Aslong as we're scoring runs it isn't too bad. The worry is we've lost 2 batsmen this morning and with respect to Harrison he

BrianT

Feels like more. Over the four games, this season what are the stats?

Tynevalleyblackcat

In an odd sort of way, losing wickets today is not a problem as long as we are scoring at a decent rate. The lead is already at 155 and another 100-120 probably makes us favourites.

Ridgeley

agreed brando

christoff

Its only 2 in an hour Brian

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Brandonia: Could have done without that. Still think we'll have enough if one of the remaining men crack a 50.

Ridgeley

need to keep calm here, whats the weather forecast for rest of day and the morra?

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Stokes got a really good ball. Almost unplayable.

Tristan

chrissafc goes for 34, stnadrop tkes guard

BrianT

Once again, early wickets in a morning session. What is it? That's three days in a row we've been there at 11:00 losing wickets.

Tynevalleyblackcat

4 down

Wicket...

Durham 75-4, leading by 155 after Stokes is caught off Barker for 14.

12:01pm

chrissafc

harrison 21 not out. stokes out for 14

chrissafc

stokes gone i'm told

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Brandonia: Great graft by Harrison this. Keep annoying them fella! One big score for us will be all we need IMO.

BrianT

A massive hole to fill and bad planning if it happened. Unless of course a top rank overseas player were to be recruited.

Ridgeley

salt and vinegar crisps should always be in a blue packet. not green, green is for cheese n onion. simple really like :*

chrissafc

66-3

chrissafc

make them pay ben

christoff

so so I losing Diva and Benks at the same time would be a massive hole to fill

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Stokes dropped at slip by Clarke.

chrissafc

still think benks will be in the team next season, hope he is

chrissafc

fair enough

christoff

yep class!!

chrissafc

class?

Tristan

probably others ive forgotten. agreed christoff - this has been a tricky start to the season for all of ours batsman, tbh most games have been low scores so far, aside from compton it seems everyone has struggled this year

Tristan

add rushy into that mix for number 11

Tristan

i imagine something along the lines of jennings, smith, stoneman, stokes, muchall, colly, mustard, blackwell/borthwick, , harrison, onions, harmison/brathwaite for next year?

christoff

Last season he started the season with 4 fifties and 1 hundred in the first 6 championship games all at no 3, class is permanent form is temporary, cut the guy some slack

SuperBenks

Agree with you Tristan. Guy has talent. No doubts. I think 3 is beyond him though. Keeps getting out to shots that a 3 shouldn't play. I'd be tempted to give him a go at 6 where his shot playing would be better suited and we should (in theory) already have runs on the board.

Tristan

no hes not, 2 runs short of it sorry

Tristan

career best for harrison.

Tristan

nobody say it

Tristan

*muchall i mean

Tristan

i think that is the problem though - if he ws rubbish people would accept that, but he is a talented batsman so people want to see him playing fine innings

stephsafc

Spitting on with rain like. Joy, just had me hair done...

chrissafc

many at the members forum last night?

tomb

According to cook, jennings is an effective palyer rather than a natural talent. i wouldnt think hes ready yet, his form has only picked up lately.

chrissafc

weather pending a lead of 250 would be decent mind

tomb

I think some of the lasses that sit there like him, he's a nice lad, and a good player to watch when in form

chrissafc

i sit in various parts of the ground Brian. again i disagree with your comments.

Tristan

i think jennings will be an opnener next season with either rocky or smudge with the other one moving down to 3.

BrianT

Try moving around a bit.

SuperBenks

We've got to give the future a chance soon. Isn't this Div's last season? We're going to need a new opener for next season.

chrissafc

i get to the games on a regular basis Brian, apart from those who sit down near the dressing room, i can't say I find your view to be true.

tomb

This was raised at the forum last night, but surley colly should have the responsibility of batting at 3, not Muchall. He also said with the way the wicket plays at the Riverside that low scores were to be expected from the top order.

Tristan

aye but to be fair, its not like muchy is the only batsman out of form, the whole of the top order need to step up to the plate, he seems to carry the can for the whole team though

BrianT

Those who are able to go to matches and watch cricket also agree that he's a fine player. Try sitting in the crowd and listening to people.

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Durham 47-3, Harrison 8* and Stokes 4*. Lead is 127.

11:38am

chrissafc

we are supporters of the club who find themselves bottom of the table?

Tristan

i would love to see jennings, richardson & wood given a chance in some limited overs stuff and get the opportunity to show they are worthy of a plce in teh first XI. they are teh future after all

Tristan

geoff cook obviously feels he is the best batsman available to us. who are we to argue with that?

chrissafc

Rushworth achieved his best bowling in First-Class matches. good to hear

chrissafc

agreed. give someone else a chance. 6 innings is a sufficient amount of chances to be able to score runs.

SuperBenks

No doubt he has talent but he fails more times than he succeeds in the 4 day stuff. Number 3 is too an important position to be carrying someone.

christoff

and championship (at the start of season)

chrissafc

probably in the cb40 he was

chrissafc

6462 runs

Tristan

at this stage of last season muchall was the highest run scorer in teh country apparently

Tristan

cant see how continuing in this form will be doing muchall any good, he needs to be taken out of the firing line for his sake perhaps, poor lad

christoff

Muchall has scored nearly 7000 first class runs he is capable just a dip in form

marchy22

250 minimum

Tristan

muchy has been scoring fine in the cb40 mind, i wouldnt be against trying out one of richardson or jennings but mroe due to the promise they have rather than due to muchall

chrissafc

agree with superbenks. time for a change. hopefully nobody slags me off for that comment. 67 runs in 6 innings, not good enough in my opinion.

christoff

minimum 200 we have done it once we can do it again, happy with 300 though

SuperBenks

Time for Muchall to go. He's had 10 years now to cement a place. Pick one of the lads from the seconds who are scoring.

Tristan

emmers just said brollies gonig up but he cant see it raining. i cant imagine why people would be putting umbrellas up if its not rainign like

Tristan

no telling what score will win this, tbf with the weather prediction we may have a better chance with a low total and maximum time to get them out than getting a big score

chrissafc

just been told it's raining at the ground

Tynevalleyblackcat

Just logged on. Is Harmy available to bowl? What do people think is the minimum we need to set them?

Tristan

anything to add marchy??

chrissafc

i think 17 is his highest score as well in the lvcc this season.

Tristan

haway stokesy lad, get youself a score

Tristan

121-3 dopesnt look too bad, especially in a low scoring match, gutted for muchall though, the lad needs some time at the crease

Tristan

poolynorm departs on 21. chrissafc - this is the time for heroes!

chrissafc

dear me

Wicket...

Durham 41-3 after Muchall is caught on 17. Stokes joins Harrison (7*).

11:24am

Tristan

firs gone of the day :(

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Brandonia: I <3 Gordon Muchall x x x

Tristan

lbw appeal against much before a streaky edge for 4. gan on lad!

Tristan

* unless he can do it with a strike rate around 500

Tristan

harrison's career best is 20, lets hope he can go past that. muchall's HS is 219 so not too much chance of that being threatened

tomb

Harmison bowled a lot of four balls at the end of the innings yesterday. That Stoneman decision was a shocker!

Tristan

*correction poolynorm resumes on 8* sorry lads, still fuming about my lbw, it was going far down leg side im told

Day three begins!

Day three begins, Durham 28-2 with Harrison and Muchall in the middle.

11:03am

Tristan

oh i forgot about that hehe

Stan Drop

Toss delayed at Edgbaston so no team news yet.

Tristan

here we go lads! poolynorm resumes on 6*

Tristan

agreed, the only question is who will be left out

christoff

Unless it is believed he needs a rest

christoff

Onions will play any game he is available I am pretty sure of that

Tristan

as i said anyway, i think onions will be played in some of the odis so teh decision will not be necessary

Tristan

i really feel for scotty, he was picked everygame so far but droppe for the one match turn played a part, down at taunton when dockrell won the game in teh second innins with 6 wickets!!

christoff

I would bring him in for Scotty who has not kicked on after a promising season last year unless the pitch favours spin which it has not this year yet

Tristan

sounds unfair but i would probably drop harrison. time is on his side and i think it does young players some benfit to get a taste of first team life then have it taken away to encourage them to keep improving

chrissafc

as you can tell i'm not a harmison fan

ashleys army

Rushys playing well but does he offer what onions does?

Tristan

that is why we are persevering with him, and it is beginning to pay off, dropping him now would undo all that hard work

Tristan

the thing with harmy is he is a heavy load bowler - he needs to be used to get teh best out of him, we know it takes him a while to get into top form but when he is then he is a massiovely destructive bowler who can win games in a matter of overs

christoff

The sub decision would have to be agreed before start of game and i'm sure it hasn't

chrissafc

i'd replace him with harmison

Tristan

of course. will be awkward in our next match if onions comes back, who does he replace? i think he will be usd in the odis tbh anyway

chrissafc

rushworth deserves his place in the side and deserves to keep it

Tristan

makes it utterly pointless. not sure we would use it anyhow, would be massively unfair on rushworth who came in for onions, hardly going to replace him after he took 5 wickets!

Tristan

christoff; i think they can but there is some palava surrounding it- onyl one of them can bat/bowl or soemthing like that iirc

ashleys army

Finns got talent but as u say trist he's not a patch on onions

Stan Drop

I agree Tristan. For example, Steve Davies has been allowed to go back to Sussex now that matt Prior has been declared fit (so he's not being rested despite being in one of the most high pressure roles in any cricket team)

christoff

Does the rule not still apply that they can do exactly that, it did last year?

Tristan

in my humble opinion

Tristan

they need to relax the rules to the point where onions or others can sub in and out of matches if england need or dont need them

Tristan

i really think the ecb need to think abit harder on the england players, if they want the county championship to be succesful [both as a competition and as a breeding ground of talent] then they need the best palyers possible playing in it

Tristan

it's hard because obviously we all want to see him prosper for england, but its hard seeing durham be deprived of his services when he never gets the chance to play for them

Tristan

should be i agree, but i just dont think the selectors see it that way. finn's youth seems to be valued way higher than actual bowling, he has talent but hes on ewho relies on the pitch to do the hard work, rather than onions, who really should be an ever present, and if not for his bad injury, probably would never have been left out of a squad since south africa

chrissafc

on current form, onions is a million miles ahead of finn

Stan Drop

Onions should be way ahead of Finn on current form (i.e. this season). He has a pretty good record at Edgbaston as well.

Tristan

*unbeaten century for big gordy muchruns

Tristan

i thought you were supposed to be positive? im going for an unbeaten century & a maiden 50 for harrison leading to a declaration then 10 wickets for harmison. that will shut the doubters up re muchy & harmy

Tristan

only 5 brandy? oh ye of little faith

Tristan

oh yeah of course he did! hah silly me

brandonia

It was just a bad bit of cramp according to Tim Wellock. He bowled after going off so I would guess he should be ok to take 5 wickets in the 2nd innings!

Tristan

thanks yvette. emmers on bbc newcastle seemed to think it was somethign serious, glad to hear thats not the case

Tristan

@brandy; im really not all that much of a finn fan, tbh i rate tremlett higher. when the pitch is doing alot very useful, but when the pitch is dead & there is no swing none can prope as well as our graham

Harmison

It was cramp yesterday - nothing serious!

10:27am

Tristan

is there any news re:harmison - no reaction to his injury and fit to bowl?

via SMS

Beautiful weather at the minute.

brandonia

Onions > Finn. No question about that.

Tristan

i am 1000% biast but it does seem they prefer finn to onions, i was fairly surprised to see finn's test firgures are better than onions', but then onions has played against much better test sides

via SMS

Quite muggy. First hour is very important. Ball will be moving around.

Tristan

so how hopefully are we re: flowers comments about resting players - do you think he is gearing us up for resting broad as well and playing finn and onions?

Tristan

get out there and pile on the runs in the name of durham county cricket club & live match chat!

Tristan

so batting order for today as follows; poolynorm, chrissafc, standrop, christoff, brandy, marchy, ridgeley, stephsafc

Tristan

amen to that brandy.

brandonia

Beautiful morning at Hartlepool. Shame we couldn't have started at 8am! Anyway, hope for another full days play and another productive one for us.

chrissafc

morning, here's hoping we can get some decent runs with the bat today weather pending

Tristan

lets just worry about our performance, pile on some runs and get stuck into them

Tristan

well tbf, they said the same thing about yesterday beign washed out, plenty can change and nowt we can do about it either way

Stan Drop

Yeah, A good chance of another "Middlesex result" I fear. Need to pile on the runs this morning to put Warks out of the game and hope for sufficient clear intervals to mop them up tomorrow.

Tristan

that would be a real kick in the teeth, after the same thing happening in teh middlesex game

christoff

Morning all. Weather fine at the moment Tristan but rain is on its way. Might get play til about 4ish it looks like and tomorrow looks like rain all day - hope not because we have a cracking chance of winning this one.

Tristan

Morning yvette, how does the weather look for today so far?

Day three

Day three is scheduled to start on time today at Emirates Durham.

9:14am

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